Tim Williams Guest Wed Aug 08, 2012 10:50 pm There's Falstad's circuit program online. Schematic capture and basic simulation. Crude, but works for resistors and LEDs. Sometimes works for diodes, transistors and op-amps; simple simulators like these are real easy to freak out. (As unstable as SPICE is, it makes one wonder that anything works at all, and that SPICE works as well as it does, when it does!) There's also another online environment but I forget what it's called.

Tim - Deep Friar: a very philosophical monk. Website: 'RST Engineering' wrote in message news:oe5528d4su0cf5oanfsqtl3tqopnugpms2at4ax.com. I perhaps should have been more specific as to my application. I have exactly 60 minutes the first day of class (which is coming up a week from this coming Monday) to get 24 freshman students up to speed on the simulation program. If I had a whole semester to teach Spice, that would be an entirely different matter. But it isn't the case.

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After that first hour, we are off to the races and the kids need to have at LEAST a nodding acquaintance with the software. AND some of the student machines (and the instructor station) are running XP and some of them are running Win7. To boot, ALL the student machines are loaded up with Deep Freeze which removes ANYTHING that the students load onto their machines during class. Don't ask me to take DF off; I fought IT all the way to mahogany row and got shot down. So, let me try again. Anybody got a suggestion for a simple, cheap, easy to learn simulation program that doesn't need to be accurate to a RCH, but a simple first-cut freshman oriented program that is an INTRODUCTION to simulation. THanks, Jim On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 09:56:00 -0700, RST Engineering jweir43atgmail.com wrote: I've got an OLD copy of Electronic Workbench that jams up Windows 7 every time I use it.

Is there a (preferably free or cheap) circuit simulator that is somewhat similar to EWB that doesn't cob up the OS? Yeah, I know SPICE does everything but it is a royal pain in the ass to use and doesn't let me do quick and dirty simulations that don't have to be down to the gnat's eyebrow. I have exactly 60 minutes the first day of class (which is coming up a week from this coming Monday) to get 24 freshman students up to speed on the simulation program. You have my sympathy.

Herding cats and freshmen is difficult. Try one of these. I haven't tried them, but they appear to be something like what you want. I included some that only cover some aspects of electronics, as it may be easier to divide and conquer with a component simulator, instead of trying to teach with a duz-it-all application. If these don't play, I still would suggest you use LTSpice despite the learning curve: (Java) (Java) (Flash) (Java) (Flash) (digital only) (digital only) - Jeff Liebermann jefflatcruzio.com 150 Felker St #D Santa Cruz CA 95060 Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558.

I perhaps should have been more specific as to my application. I have exactly 60 minutes the first day of class (which is coming up a week from this coming Monday) to get 24 freshman students up to speed on the simulation program. If I had a whole semester to teach Spice, that would be an entirely different matter. But it isn't the case. After that first hour, we are off to the races and the kids need to have at LEAST a nodding acquaintance with the software. AND some of the student machines (and the instructor station) are running XP and some of them are running Win7. To boot, ALL the student machines are loaded up with Deep Freeze which removes ANYTHING that the students load onto their machines during class.

Don't ask me to take DF off; I fought IT all the way to mahogany row and got shot down. So, let me try again. Anybody got a suggestion for a simple, cheap, easy to learn simulation program that doesn't need to be accurate to a RCH, but a simple first-cut freshman oriented program that is an INTRODUCTION to simulation. THanks, Jim On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 09:56:00 -0700, RST Engineering jweir43atgmail.com wrote: I've got an OLD copy of Electronic Workbench that jams up Windows 7 every time I use it. Is there a (preferably free or cheap) circuit simulator that is somewhat similar to EWB that doesn't cob up the OS? Yeah, I know SPICE does everything but it is a royal pain in the ass to use and doesn't let me do quick and dirty simulations that don't have to be down to the gnat's eyebrow.

Jim LT Spice. 60 minutes should be enough to get people running sims of simple R-L-C-transistor-opamp circuits, assuming they understand some about electricity. I can Spice a simple circuit, and get DC voltages and waveforms, in a couple of minutes. I often use it for stuff like voltage dividers, instead of a calculator. John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com Precision electronic instrumentation Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators Custom laser drivers and controllers Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links VME thermocouple, LVDT, synchro acquisition and simulation. I perhaps should have been more specific as to my application. I have exactly 60 minutes the first day of class (which is coming up a week from this coming Monday) to get 24 freshman students up to speed on the simulation program.

If I had a whole semester to teach Spice, that would be an entirely different matter. But it isn't the case. After that first hour, we are off to the races and the kids need to have at LEAST a nodding acquaintance with the software.

AND some of the student machines (and the instructor station) are running XP and some of them are running Win7. To boot, ALL the student machines are loaded up with Deep Freeze which removes ANYTHING that the students load onto their machines during class.

Don't ask me to take DF off; I fought IT all the way to mahogany row and got shot down. What if the student's don't install it? Can you get the admin to install it? I perhaps should have been more specific as to my application. I have exactly 60 minutes the first day of class (which is coming up a week from this coming Monday) to get 24 freshman students up to speed on the simulation program. If I had a whole semester to teach Spice, that would be an entirely different matter.

But it isn't the case. After that first hour, we are off to the races and the kids need to have at LEAST a nodding acquaintance with the software. AND some of the student machines (and the instructor station) are running XP and some of them are running Win7. To boot, ALL the student machines are loaded up with Deep Freeze which removes ANYTHING that the students load onto their machines during class.

Don't ask me to take DF off; I fought IT all the way to mahogany row and got shot down. So, let me try again. Anybody got a suggestion for a simple, cheap, easy to learn simulation program that doesn't need to be accurate to a RCH, but a simple first-cut freshman oriented program that is an INTRODUCTION to simulation. THanks, Jim On Tue, 10 Jul 2012 09:56:00 -0700, RST Engineering jweir43atgmail.com wrote: I've got an OLD copy of Electronic Workbench that jams up Windows 7 every time I use it. Is there a (preferably free or cheap) circuit simulator that is somewhat similar to EWB that doesn't cob up the OS? Yeah, I know SPICE does everything but it is a royal pain in the ass to use and doesn't let me do quick and dirty simulations that don't have to be down to the gnat's eyebrow. Jim Since you have to teach what is available (really, get them to install LTSpice if you can), start with how to input a circuit.

If EW has a graphical interface teach the kids just enough to use it and save to student provided medium (hope for a flash stick). That is about all there is time for. There is an XP mode download for Win7, get IT to install that on the Win7 machines.

It should help the the win7 machines.?-(. Since you have to teach what is available (really, get them to install LTSpice if you can), start with how to input a circuit. If EW has a graphical interface teach the kids just enough to use it and save to student provided medium (hope for a flash stick). That is about all there is time for.

There is an XP mode download for Win7, get IT to install that on the Win7 machines. It should help the the win7 machines.?-( A virtualized application such as LTSPICE running from a USB drive might do the trick. I've seen them, but have not attempted to virtualize a new app. This is one path:. Would the school spring for a $5 flash drive per student?

I imagine you could get at least 4G at that price point. You could set up examples etc. That would be available. AFAIUI, you take a (preferably virgin) PC and install the app, and capture a snapshot of everthing including registry etc. That is.

ouch- looks like they want $5K + for this! Maybe the 60 day demo would work? Of course this is the age of the cloud. MIT worked up a kind of online SPICE that works fairly well despite the limitations of an unnecessarily ugly GUI. Hey, what about something like this if it would suit your needs: Pretty slick!

Eg Best regards, Spehro Pefhany - 'it's the network.' 'The Journey is the reward' speffatinterlog.com Info for manufacturers: Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers. On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 19:10:52 -0700, the renowned josephkk josephbarrettatsbcglobal.net wrote: Since you have to teach what is available (really, get them to install LTSpice if you can), start with how to input a circuit. If EW has a graphical interface teach the kids just enough to use it and save to student provided medium (hope for a flash stick).

That is about all there is time for. There is an XP mode download for Win7, get IT to install that on the Win7 machines. It should help the the win7 machines.?-( A virtualized application such as LTSPICE running from a USB drive might do the trick. I've seen them, but have not attempted to virtualize a new app. This is one path:.

Would the school spring for a $5 flash drive per student? I imagine you could get at least 4G at that price point. You could set up examples etc. That would be available. AFAIUI, you take a (preferably virgin) PC and install the app, and capture a snapshot of everthing including registry etc.

That is. ouch- looks like they want $5K + for this! Maybe the 60 day demo would work? Of course this is the age of the cloud. MIT worked up a kind of online SPICE that works fairly well despite the limitations of an unnecessarily ugly GUI. Hey, what about something like this if it would suit your needs: Pretty slick! Eg Best regards, Spehro Pefhany.

On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 19:10:52 -0700, the renowned josephkk josephbarrettatsbcglobal.net wrote: Since you have to teach what is available (really, get them to install LTSpice if you can), start with how to input a circuit. If EW has a graphical interface teach the kids just enough to use it and save to student provided medium (hope for a flash stick). That is about all there is time for. There is an XP mode download for Win7, get IT to install that on the Win7 machines. It should help the the win7 machines.?-( A virtualized application such as LTSPICE running from a USB drive might do the trick.

I've seen them, but have not attempted to virtualize a new app. This is one path:. Would the school spring for a $5 flash drive per student? I imagine you could get at least 4G at that price point. Two things: 1. LTSpice in known to work perfectly well in wine, let alone a VM running XP 2. I specified student provided flash media.

You could set up examples etc. That would be available. AFAIUI, you take a (preferably virgin) PC and install the app, and capture a snapshot of everthing including registry etc. That is. ouch- looks like they want $5K + for this! Maybe the 60 day demo would work?

Of course this is the age of the cloud. MIT worked up a kind of online SPICE that works fairly well despite the limitations of an unnecessarily ugly GUI.

Hey, what about something like this if it would suit your needs: Pretty slick! Eg Best regards, Spehro Pefhany. Hp t5520 running on debian linux operating.

OS-cruncher Guest Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:40 am I have EWB 5.12 running on Win7 (x64) The way to go: - install EWB 5.12 on a Win98-system - get it registered with your registration-details (name + sn) - copy the complete program-directory including sub-directories from th Win98-machine into 'C: Program Files (x86)' of your Win7-machine. create a shortcut to your newly created 'WEWB32.EXE' on your desktop - configure this shortcut to run im compatibility mode with win98 - the first time you start EWB it requires the original installation-CD i your CD-drive. I've tried a little circuit, ran it with function-generator an oscilloscope, and it looks like everything works just fine. To use the help-function you may need to download the legacy windows-hel wich is available from MS for download for activated Win7-installations. Posted through.

I have EWB 5.12 running on Win7 (x64) The way to go: - install EWB 5.12 on a Win98-system - get it registered with your registration-details (name + sn) - copy the complete program-directory including sub-directories from the Win98-machine into 'C: Program Files (x86)' of your Win7-machine. create a shortcut to your newly created 'WEWB32.EXE' on your desktop - configure this shortcut to run im compatibility mode with win98 - the first time you start EWB it requires the original installation-CD in your CD-drive. I've tried a little circuit, ran it with function-generator and oscilloscope, and it looks like everything works just fine. To use the help-function you may need to download the legacy windows-help wich is available from MS for download for activated Win7-installations. Nice post, dude. A rare thing in Usenet these days.

On Apr 30, 6:40 am, 'OS-cruncher' wrote: I have EWB 5.12 running on Win7 (x64) The way to go: - install EWB 5.12 on a Win98-system - get it registered with your registration-details (name + sn) - copy the complete program-directory including sub-directories from the Win98-machine into 'C: Program Files (x86)' of your Win7-machine. create a shortcut to your newly created 'WEWB32.EXE' on your desktop - configure this shortcut to run im compatibility mode with win98 - the first time you start EWB it requires the original installation-CD in your CD-drive. I've tried a little circuit, ran it with function-generator and oscilloscope, and it looks like everything works just fine. To use the help-function you may need to download the legacy windows-help wich is available from MS for download for activated Win7-installations. Posted Why bother? LTspice is free, and is the 'lingua franca' on SED.

A simple way to share circuit ideas. (I used EWB many years ago.) George H.

EWB used to have another name, and was sold with perpetual free upgrades. They changed the name to cut off the upgrades. I bought one subsequent upgrade but it was buggy and support was bad, so I got my money back. LT Spice is much better. John Larkin Highland Technology Inc jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com Precision electronic instrumentation Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators Custom timing and laser controllers Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links VME analog, thermocouple, LVDT, synchro, tachometer Multichannel arbitrary waveform generators. I have EWB 5.12 running on Win7 (x64) The way to go: - install EWB 5.12 on a Win98-system - get it registered with your registration-details (name + sn) - copy the complete program-directory including sub-directories from the Win98-machine into 'C: Program Files (x86)' of your Win7-machine.

create a shortcut to your newly created 'WEWB32.EXE' on your desktop - configure this shortcut to run im compatibility mode with win98 - the first time you start EWB it requires the original installation-CD in your CD-drive. I've tried a little circuit, ran it with function-generator and oscilloscope, and it looks like everything works just fine. To use the help-function you may need to download the legacy windows-help wich is available from MS for download for activated Win7-installations. Posted Why bother? LTspice is free, and is the 'lingua franca' on SED. A simple way to share circuit ideas.

(I used EWB many years ago.) George H. Guest Tue Jul 21, 2015 1:46 pm Old thread I know, but just in case anyone else runs into this, I've gotten Electronic Workbench (5.1) working natively under Windows 7 64-bit. The program itself is 32-bit, but the installer is 16-bit, hence you can't install it in 64-bit Windows. The trick was to first install it under Windows XP mode, on the virtual C drive in the same directory you want to put it on the real C drive.

Once it's installed, copy the contents of that directory to the corresponding location on the real drive. Finally, open the registry editor in XP mode, export the key HKLM SOFTWARE Classes Software InteractiveImageTechnologiesLtd. ElectronicsWorkbench EEW01 installation, and then import that into the registry in Windows 7.

In hindsight, before doing the registry hack, EWB popped up a dialog box that the EWB CD had to be in the drive. Perhaps if I'd put it in the drive, it would have registered itself? Guest Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:12 am Another one dreging up old threads.

But really, you know what the solution really is? Keep your old hardware and old software until the smoke comes out. I still got XP on one PC and it runs great. And even then I instyalled old programs on it, like Offfice 97 Pro, that runs like lightning on it. All the software does.

Only thing you need is AV software and to be careful. Use it fro what you need it for. Buy newer PCs for the junk they got now, almost none of which I use. Now they are bitching about Tektronix scopes that run XP. First of all, there should not be an OS on a scope, and second of all, so it runs XP. Keep it offline and nobody will know except you. Perhaps the bean counteers who, in corporatre America will insist all this stuff go in to the trash for tax purposes (which means it cannot be sold it must be destroyed because of US tax code), but in most cases, just run it until it drops dead.

That reinds me to put my main backup on one of the SATA drives in me server for when it drops dead. Its EOL was in 200, ummm, whatever. Don't let them pull you along with a nose ring to get every update.

You wouldn't believe how old some of my software is and it serves me well. And I have to learn enough new shit just to fix the junk that I really have no time nor inclination to learn new software.

Sorry Bill Gates. And Windows 10 is free? I own't even take if you pay me enougy money to buy the best hardware in the world to run it, know why? Because I know what I got and it works.

On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 19:10:52 -0700, the renowned josephkk wrote: Since you have to teach what is available (really, get them to install LTSpice if you can), start with how to input a circuit. If EW has a graphical interface teach the kids just enough to use it and save to student provided medium (hope for a flash stick). That is about all there is time for. There is an XP mode download for Win7, get IT to install that on the Win7 machines. It should help the the win7 machines. ?-( A virtualized application such as LTSPICE running from a USB drive might do the trick. I've seen them, but have not attempted to virtualize a new app.

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This is one path:. Would the school spring for a $5 flash drive per student? I imagine you could get at least 4G at that price point. You could set up examples etc. That would be available. AFAIUI, you take a (preferably virgin) PC and install the app, and capture a snapshot of everthing including registry etc.

That is. ouch- looks like they want $5K + for this! Maybe the 60 day demo would work? Of course this is the age of the cloud. MIT worked up a kind of online SPICE that works fairly well despite the limitations of an unnecessarily ugly GUI. Hey, what about something like this if it would suit your needs: Pretty slick!

Eg Best regards, Spehro Pefhany - 'it's the network.' 'The Journey is the reward' speff@interlog.com Info for manufacturers: Embedded software/hardware/analog Info for designers. On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 23:02:59 -0400, Spehro Pefhany wrote: On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 19:10:52 -0700, the renowned josephkk wrote: Since you have to teach what is available (really, get them to install LTSpice if you can), start with how to input a circuit. If EW has a graphical interface teach the kids just enough to use it and save to student provided medium (hope for a flash stick). That is about all = there is time for. There is an XP mode download for Win7, get IT to install that on the = Win7 machines. It should help the the win7 machines.

?-( A virtualized application such as LTSPICE running from a USB drive might do the trick. I've seen them, but have not attempted to virtualize a new app.=20 This is one path:.=20 Would the school spring for a $5 flash drive per student? I imagine you could get at least 4G at that price point.=20 You could set up examples etc.

That would be available. AFAIUI, you take a (preferably virgin) PC and install the app, and capture a snapshot of everthing including registry etc. That is=20. ouch- looks like they want $5K + for this!=20 Maybe the 60 day demo would work?=20 Of course this is the age of the cloud.=20 MIT worked up a kind of online SPICE that works fairly well despite the limitations of an unnecessarily ugly GUI.=20 Hey, what about something like this if it would suit your needs: Pretty slick! Eg Best regards,=20 Spehro Pefhany. On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 23:02:59 -0400, Spehro Pefhany wrote: On Thu, 09 Aug 2012 19:10:52 -0700, the renowned josephkk wrote: Since you have to teach what is available (really, get them to install LTSpice if you can), start with how to input a circuit.

If EW has a graphical interface teach the kids just enough to use it and save to student provided medium (hope for a flash stick). That is about all = there is time for. There is an XP mode download for Win7, get IT to install that on the = Win7 machines. It should help the the win7 machines. ?-( A virtualized application such as LTSPICE running from a USB drive might do the trick. I've seen them, but have not attempted to virtualize a new app.=20 This is one path:.=20 Would the school spring for a $5 flash drive per student?

I imagine you could get at least 4G at that price point.=20 Two things: 1. LTSpice in known to work perfectly well in wine, let alone a VM running XP 2. I specified student provided flash media. You could set up examples etc.

That would be available. AFAIUI, you take a (preferably virgin) PC and install the app, and capture a snapshot of everthing including registry etc.

That is=20. ouch- looks like they want $5K + for this!=20 Maybe the 60 day demo would work?=20 Of course this is the age of the cloud.=20 MIT worked up a kind of online SPICE that works fairly well despite the limitations of an unnecessarily ugly GUI.=20 Hey, what about something like this if it would suit your needs: Pretty slick! Eg Best regards,=20 Spehro Pefhany. I have EWB 5.12 running on Win7 (x64) The way to go: - install EWB 5.12 on a Win98-system - get it registered with your registration-details (name + sn) - copy the complete program-directory including sub-directories from the Win98-machine into 'C: Program Files (x86)' of your Win7-machine.

create a shortcut to your newly created 'WEWB32.EXE' on your desktop - configure this shortcut to run im compatibility mode with win98 - the first time you start EWB it requires the original installation-CD in your CD-drive. I've tried a little circuit, ran it with function-generator and oscilloscope, and it looks like everything works just fine. To use the help-function you may need to download the legacy windows-help wich is available from MS for download for activated Win7-installations.

Posted through. On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 05:40:53 -0500, 'OS-cruncher' wrote: I have EWB 5.12 running on Win7 (x64) The way to go: - install EWB 5.12 on a Win98-system - get it registered with your registration-details (name + sn) - copy the complete program-directory including sub-directories from the Win98-machine into 'C: Program Files (x86)' of your Win7-machine. create a shortcut to your newly created 'WEWB32.EXE' on your desktop - configure this shortcut to run im compatibility mode with win98 - the first time you start EWB it requires the original installation-CD in your CD-drive. I've tried a little circuit, ran it with function-generator and oscilloscope, and it looks like everything works just fine.

To use the help-function you may need to download the legacy windows-help wich is available from MS for download for activated Win7-installations. Nice post, dude.

A rare thing in Usenet these days. On Apr 30, 6:40=A0am, 'OS-cruncher' wrote: I have EWB 5.12 running on Win7 (x64) The way to go: - install EWB 5.12 on a Win98-system - get it registered with your registration-details (name + sn) - copy the complete program-directory including sub-directories from the Win98-machine into 'C: Program Files (x86)' of your Win7-machine. - create a shortcut to your newly created 'WEWB32.EXE' on your desktop - configure this shortcut to run im compatibility mode with win98 - the first time you start EWB it requires the original installation-CD i= n your CD-drive. I've tried a little circuit, ran it with function-generator and oscilloscope, and it looks like everything works just fine. To use the help-function you may need to download the legacy windows-help wich is available from MS for download for activated Win7-installations. - Posted through Why bother?

LTspice is free, and is the 'lingua franca' on SED. A simple way to share circuit ideas.

(I used EWB many years ago.) George H. On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 05:35:06 -0700 (PDT), George Herold wrote: On Apr 30, 6:40&#;am, 'OS-cruncher' wrote: I have EWB 5.12 running on Win7 (x64) The way to go: - install EWB 5.12 on a Win98-system - get it registered with your registration-details (name + sn) - copy the complete program-directory including sub-directories from the Win98-machine into 'C: Program Files (x86)' of your Win7-machine.

- create a shortcut to your newly created 'WEWB32.EXE' on your desktop - configure this shortcut to run im compatibility mode with win98 - the first time you start EWB it requires the original installation-CD in your CD-drive. I've tried a little circuit, ran it with function-generator and oscilloscope, and it looks like everything works just fine. To use the help-function you may need to download the legacy windows-help wich is available from MS for download for activated Win7-installations. - Posted through Why bother? LTspice is free, and is the 'lingua franca' on SED.

A simple way to share circuit ideas. (I used EWB many years ago.) George H. EWB used to have another name, and was sold with perpetual free upgrades. They changed the name to cut off the upgrades. I bought one subsequent upgrade but it was buggy and support was bad, so I got my money back.

LT Spice is much better. John Larkin Highland Technology Inc www.highlandtechnology.com jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com Precision electronic instrumentation Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators Custom timing and laser controllers Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links VME analog, thermocouple, LVDT, synchro, tachometer Multichannel arbitrary waveform generators. Old thread I know, but just in case anyone else runs into this, I've gotten Electronic Workbench (5.1) working natively under Windows 7 64-bit. The program itself is 32-bit, but the installer is 16-bit, hence you can't install it in 64-bit Windows. The trick was to first install it under Windows XP mode, on the virtual C drive in the same directory you want to put it on the real C drive. Once it's installed, copy the contents of that directory to the corresponding location on the real drive. Finally, open the registry editor in XP mode, export the key HKLM SOFTWARE Classes Software InteractiveImageTechnologiesLtd.

ElectronicsWorkbench EEW01 installation, and then import that into the registry in Windows 7. In hindsight, before doing the registry hack, EWB popped up a dialog box that the EWB CD had to be in the drive.

Perhaps if I'd put it in the drive, it would have registered itself? Another one dreging up old threads. But really, you know what the solution really is?

Keep your old hardware and old software until the smoke comes out. I still got XP on one PC and it runs great. And even then I instyalled old programs on it, like Offfice 97 Pro, that runs like lightning on it. All the software does. Only thing you need is AV software and to be careful.

Use it fro what you need it for. Buy newer PCs for the junk they got now, almost none of which I use.

Now they are bitching about Tektronix scopes that run XP. First of all, there should not be an OS on a scope, and second of all, so it runs XP.

Keep it offline and nobody will know except you. Perhaps the bean counteers who, in corporatre America will insist all this stuff go in to the trash for tax purposes (which means it cannot be sold it must be destroyed because of US tax code), but in most cases, just run it until it drops dead. That reinds me to put my main backup on one of the SATA drives in me server for when it drops dead. Its EOL was in 200, ummm, whatever. Don't let them pull you along with a nose ring to get every update. You wouldn't believe how old some of my software is and it serves me well.

And I have to learn enough new shit just to fix the junk that I really have no time nor inclination to learn new software. Sorry Bill Gates. And Windows 10 is free? I own't even take if you pay me enougy money to buy the best hardware in the world to run it, know why?

Because I know what I got and it works. On Wednesday, August 8, 2012 at 9:47:08 AM UTC-7, RST Engineering wrote: So, let me try again. Anybody got a suggestion for a simple, cheapeasy to learn simulation program that doesn't need to be accurate to a RCH, but a simple first-cut freshman oriented program that is an INTRODUCTION to simulation. You won't be doing any of those freshmen any favors by introducing them to any other simulator besides LTSpice. If they can't grok the basics in 60 minutes they are in the wrong classroom. john, KE5FX.